Starbucks pretty much asked for this...

16 December 2012

The beleaguered coffee giant has got a screen at the Natural History museum which displays tweets addressed at it in real time. Now probably isn't the best time for Starbucks to be asking the public their opinions about things though...

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TOPICS:   Social Media

21 comments

  • Chewbacca
    Lollingtons, rofl, lolbats etc etc
  • sean
    All this is fuss & noise about starbucks, amazon, etc not paying tax. They are acting within the tax laws. All the fuss & noise should be directed at the government for allowing this to happen. Close the loopholes & they have to pay their fair share. If I could reduce my tax bill, I would. Stop blaming the companies!
  • Chewbacca
    ^ Fuss and noise quota exceeded.
  • Han S.
    Easy Chewie
  • Gary
    I think we were all so naive to expect companies to have an ethical side and morals within their staff.
  • Expendable B.
    Funny thing about loopholes, sean, is that they tend to exist despite the best efforts of the powers that be. That's why they're loopholes, and not just routine. And while yes, legally these companies have done nothing wrong, legality and morality only intersect occasionally. You're legally within your rights to step over an old lady who's fallen over in the street, or charge people seventy quid for a loaf of bread if bad weather's coming, or set up a company charging 5000% interest on loans to the poor and desperate - but that doesn't make these the morally right things to do. It's easy to say "oh well the government should close the loopholes", but Amazon, Starbucks et al hire dedicated teams of incredibly clever and persistent men for the sole purpose of finding loopholes. As for you not wanting to pay your tax - I really doubt you're a stupendously rich company, pulling in mind bogglingly absurd amounts of money using a work force, transport infrastructure, legal framework and postal system that is largely dependant on tax money. But you should pay your tax anyway, you anti-social dick.
  • Reuben
    Well said
  • Monkey T.
    I would like to say I'm absolutely appalled and deeply offended by the language used in the tweet pictured above; it's mofos, not mofo's. Fucking fucktards.
  • Jamie
    @ ExpendableBlueshirt Nailed it.
  • Nucky T.
    @Expendable Blueshirt You just nailed it in a well executed paragraph. Well said that man. Now, where is that BW poster cunt who keeps bleating on a bout his tax dealings in Malta?
  • sdutton007
    @ Expendable Blueshirt These loopholes are obvious and have been going on for a long time. The HMRC could easily close them if they had chosen to. It may not be FAIR, but morally it isn't actually that bad - nobody is hurt because of what these companies are doing (in theory we would all be a few quid better off, assuming the government didn't steal/spunk it). Any business that wants to be profitable has to maximize profits and minimize losses - Amazon/Starbucks would most likely have gone bust a long time ago if they didn't operate like this. And you mentioned the "transport infrastructure, legal framework and postal system that is largely dependant on tax money. " - our transport infrastructure is a complete joke where we pay vast sums of money and get nothing in return. They have actually started ripping up many of the roads around here and leaving them as "raised ironworks" instead of resurfacing them! Our legal framework is another complete joke that screws over the decent people and rewards the criminals. And in what way is our postal system dependent on tax money??? A huge amount of our tax money is thrown away, given to corrupt bankers as a reward for doing so shit and being stolen by the MPs... what does it really matter if Amazon/Starbucks don't want to give the government more money to spunk up the wall???
  • DragonChris
    +1 to Studdon and -1 to Blueshirt. The government is pissing away our taxes anyway, whilst avoiding paying their own using these very same 'loopholes' and their own little 'schemes' - we are all well aware of the expense scandals which seem to be continuing even after the recent revelations. It's simple - the government is going to destroy the UK, all to line their own pockets. Sad but true.
  • Mark H.
    @Expendable Blueshirt Best, most succinct riposte I've seen to the 'but they're not breaking any laws crowd'. Nice one.
  • Mark H.
    @sdutton007 ' Amazon/Starbucks would most likely have gone bust a long time ago if they didn’t operate like this.' Unlikely. ' our transport infrastructure is a complete joke where we pay vast sums of money and get nothing in return.' I got to work ok this morning - so I got something in return. 'And in what way is our postal system dependent on tax money???' The price of a stamp does not fully cover the cost of delivering the mail.
  • Kevin
    'Amazon, Starbucks et al hire dedicated teams of incredibly clever and persistent men for the sole purpose of finding loopholes.' Then hire better lawyers. It's like unions moaning that top business men get great deals. Hire better contract negotiators then. Works for the Union leaders, so don't know why it doesn't work for the rest of us members. That there are people employed to find loopholes doesn't mean you can't close down the ones that are still there. Make them work harder.
  • klingelton
    just plain incredible. this is the first time in history where we've held a healthy debate without everyone calling each other a fox bumming c**t. kudos all! look forward to more of these.
  • Expendable B.
    sdutton, I guess the big issue is what you consider "morally bad", and that'll be where we differ. While I get where you're coming from, I think that large business refusal to pay tax is one of the worst things going - at the risk of sounding melodramatic, they're basically robbing an entire country. They're making use of all the benefits that our social frameworks provide, and then doing their level best to avoid reciprocating. That's not just being a bit shady - that's a direct assault on the very concept of what a civilisation IS. But I digress. As for you saying that the road structure, legal framework et al are too bad to justify the money - trust me, they could be a LOT worse - it's why so few big companies are willing to start their nice book selling firm in the Sudan, or Mexico. And here's the thing about companies on such frightening scales - they could easily, EASILY change things for the better rather than just taking their ball and going home. You think if Mr. Starbucks, Mr. Amazon and Mizz Google went to Number 10 and insisted shit gets fixed up, that the government'd refuse? Pah. It's greed, plain, simple, amoral greed. And it's not just selfish, it's short sighted. Drain the country dry, who's gonna buy your books and coffee?
  • Getyourshittogether
    What you have to ask is this If your paying out more ...for a service that has not improved over the last 12 months, such as trains, why moan, do something about it, this is the problem, too many sheeples who suck it up and or moan
  • bilb
    @Nucky Thomson Talking of cunts - how you doing?
  • Englebert.Humperdinck
    Yet HUKD (parent company of BW and owned by the Editorial Director of this site) pay none either and the staff are paid out of the Seychelles to avoid Tax as well Double standards are rife
  • Bob
    Expendable Blueshirt - clearly an employee

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