Poll - should screaming children be barred from restaurants?

9 September 2010

Nobody likes screaming kids. Really. Us parents can't stand the little shits anymore than people who don't have children. But just because we're parents, it doesn't mean we have some Jedi-style mind control over our offspring. You had tantrums as a kid, everyone did - and parents can't choose when and where it happens.

So should you be penalised for taking your family to a restaurant? The Olde Salty restaurant in North Carolina has banned "crying, screaming, [or] whining" children, and put up signs to that effect:

Bitterwallet -screaming children will not be tolerated

"We want to attract the type of people that come in knowing they aren't going to have to sit behind a table with a bunch of screaming children," said the owner. Any parents who can't control their children's tear ducts are asked to leave the premises until the child has calmed down.

So what says you? Are you a parent who avoids taking their kids into busy restaurants for exactly this reason, or couldn't you care less what other diners thing? Does the mere thought of these crying vomit sacks make you wish you were infertile? Let's hear your comments, people - and vote in our mighty Bitterwallet poll, too:

[WECT] via [Consumerist]

TOPICS:   Home   Restaurants

81 comments

  • Gunn
    Did it say ban? More won't tolerate, I;d prefer no screaming but if it does happen then all they need to do is be polite and go outside till its over. simple.
  • Jamie
    I'm a parent and my kids have never screamed at any age. Ok, they have a little cry sometimes, but nothing a good parent can't resolve quickly.
  • PaulH
    Yes ban them...ban them all! There's nothing more nauseating than listening to a screaming child while the parent sits there with a stupid dormant look on their face! Saw this situation loads on holiday - Parents left kids with grandparents (who looked as though they couldn't even look after themselves) while parents fecked off and kids screaming a making general noise
  • MrRobin
    Perhaps after a certain hour, say 8pm. And definitely banned from pubs, absolutely especially after 8pm or so.
  • CH
    Definitely, can't stand them. Should ban screaming women too whilst they are at it - have come across some of them throwing tantrums in restaurants and they can be even worse!
  • The B.
    I was at a wedding the other week, I videoed it as favour to the groom, on re-watching all you can hear is 2 kids beating the hell out of each other and then screaming the place down, the parents just stood there gormlessly the whole time occasionally saying "shush" to their offspring. Later on one of the kids in question kept running up to the roulette wheel (they had a casino which was rather cool) and stealing all the chips off the table, I actually thought that the croupier (who was the guy who's company it was) was going to wallop him after the 3rd time, the father was playing Blackjack and just kept on laughing finding it very funny. Every other kid (and parent) was good as gold, but this bunch needed taking out and shooting. Thus I'm going for Yes.
  • Brian's U.
    In an aeroplane, yes. No children allowed to fly. At all. Especially long haul flights
  • Nobby
    To be honest, I find people that speak loudly in restaurants (whether on a mobile phone, or just "talking" to someone on their table) more annoying than screaming kids. People that insist that the whole restaurant listens to one of their anecdotes should not be tolerated in my opinion.
  • klingelton
    I flew all the way to the states a couple of years ago with a child kicking the back of my seat with no promise of interruption from mother. I don't have children yet personally, however i will do one day and i strongly believe that other people don't want to hear my child whine about whether they like TK or mayo. people don't just pay for the food in restaurants, they pay for the surroundings and to have a nice relaxing time. Also, it's entirely up to the owner whether they allow customers in. If the customers don't like it, they have the freedom of choice.
  • PokeHerPete
    Does not tolerate mean giving the screaming child a sharp slap across the head?
  • BobF
    "Also, it’s entirely up to the owner whether they allow customers in. If the customers don’t like it, they have the freedom of choice." Youd think, wouldnt you. But these days, youd probably find them complaining you discriminated against them.
  • Pastyboy21
    Tough one to call, again it is all down to the parents. There are plenty that manage the situation and it is all over quickly. The parents who are oblivious to it all are the ones that piss me off, they let there kids run around and treat the place as a playground. I think the sign should read ' Irresponsible parents will not be tolerated', it is always going to be tricky keeping younger children occupied during a meal, but good parents can manage the situation, poor parents don't care what there kids do and do not respect the people around them.
  • Whisky
    Parents never took us in restaurants when brothers and I were kids. Perfectly sensible, they didnt have the stress of trying to control 3 little shits and annoying other dinners. Of course because of this I am completely lacking in restaurant etiquette, the end result? Now the wife will not take me to restaurants either. We stay at home and she cooks. Win-win.
  • David
    I think it's down to the teachers. And they get too many holidays.
  • dearieme
    maybe they could also ban all idiots who use mobile phones in restaurants as well? screaming kids arent the only distraction-you pay good money in restaurants and cinemas etc and have to put up with adults who should know better. kill them all-easy solution.
  • Alexis
    SOunds like a good reason to walk out without paying IMO.
  • TeflonMan
    My local pub has a sign "Children welcome with well-behaved adults".
  • Paul C.
    A good old smack usually sorts them out. Currently, I'm caught in a catch-22 situation whereby I hate children with all their nonsensical screaming and running around - but yet I think back to when I was that age, and of course little Paul Coia was running around, turning off the escalator in C&A and throwing a tin of woodstain in B&Q on the floor to see what kind of mess it made. I do sympathise with children - they should be free to run around and have fun - just not outside my window while I'm having a kip from work the previous night. Surely we all used to run off to the forrest/gardens/park and lark about there all day until it was dinner time - and guess who spoilt that one? Paedophiles. They're to blame.
  • Denise u.
    Firstly I work in child protection, and any Parent that calls a child a little shit or a vomit bag even in jest should take very hard look in the mirror or at the very least see profesional help as you obviously, Have had children forced upon you! I suppost you all kick animals too? Most normal restaurants have family areas these days, if you don't like kids stay at home you sad little man!! Seems all the posters on here don't live in the real world, and should I ever see anyone slap a child across the head, you can be assured by the time you leave you will be at least 1 ft tall
  • Pinky
    I have two kids who know that screaming in restaurants is not on. Saying that though kids usually have two volumes, loud and loud as fuck, so I do avoid any places that are not family friendly. When i'm not with my kids I don't want to hear them anywhere, especially in posh restaurants past 9pm. I agree with someone else, I can't stand people who talk as loud as they possibly can so that the whole world has to hear their incredibly dull and soul destroying anecdotes.
  • BobF
    Soundproof, and preferably airtight, dining areas for poorly behaved families. Its unfair to make just the children suffer when you can make the whole family suffer instead.
  • Villa
    To Denise Utiro: what do you mean most normal restaurants have family areas these days? Sersiously, go back to protecting screaming brats or something instead of making up bullshit.
  • Mark C.
    In restaurants, children should be held to precisely the same standards as other diners - if an adult were to sit there screaming, throw their plate on the floor and hurl bread rolls at the waiters, they'd be asked to leave, probably with a threat of Dibble. I don't give a fuck how expressive, creative or dramatic your brat is, if I'm paying to eat there, I don't want my digestion disturbed by a three year old's caterwauling. Furthermore, I don't think kids should be allowed in public and lounge bars of pubs at all. Pub restaurants, beer gardens, big country pubs even, fair enough, but there needs to be some place left that people can go to relax and have a drink without kids running around. I dislike the fact that almost all the pubs in the area I live have been pressurised by local parents into becoming 'family friendly'. This means that at the weekend you can't get in the door for all the three wheeled buggies, and it's near impossible to have any sort of lively conversation with mates without someone coming over and telling you to stop swearing in front of their kids.
  • kyle
    Denise not only do you deserve a good slap on the head but also your kids, I'd take great pleasure in striking the lot of them
  • swf
    Very pleased that some one is prepared to take a stand against screaming kids. On the whole my experience is that children do what they're allowed to do, so of course it's because parents send out the wrong messages that the kids throw tantrums. They should never be allowed to ruin a meal out for adults especially adults who have nothing to do with them! I'm a mum of 3 and grand mum to 2. No problems telling children to shut up and behave thank you.
  • Villa
    Marck C: are you one of of those fucking arseholes who can't help swearing all the fucking time? It really pisses me off when wankers keep spewing their fucking profanity all the time in public places where poor innocent people have to listen to that shit.
  • piggy
    Denise utiro, being a peadophile isn't the same as working in child protection, maybe you should edit your 'story', and learn some grammar...
  • Mark C.
    @Denise - Wow , do you work for the Daily Express? I only ask because you seem to be part of the same weird blinkered mob that demands that everywhere must be made kid-friendly, children must be welcomed everywhere and should not be criticised or disciplined. Not to mention that any film, book, programme deemed too mature for a child should be banned, and that anyone who dislikes children is some sort of child-hating paedophile (how does that work again?) Perhaps people wouldn't use such pejorative terms for children if parents ever took any responsibility for disciplining the the snot-covered little wretches.
  • swf
    Mark C Read your first paragraph.....thought you were spot on Read the rest....decided you are a totally self centred yobbo. Shit for brains is what comes to mind
  • The B.
    Mark C, I had that last year in a cocktail bar, I was asked by the bar staff to stop swearing as there was a couple with their child at the next table (we were there first and they were the only 2 tables with people sat at them in the entire place). The irony was that the only reason I was swearing was because I was relating a story of a mother telling her child off on the train earlier on in the day, the swear words were in fact hers not mine.
  • Denise u.
    Here is my postcode NE1 8PA, let's see how big you are in person any time just let me know the day, I suggest you read the Uk law in the meantime, regarding approving smacking of children
  • Mark C.
    @Villa - yep, I'm exactly that sort of fucking sweary fucking cunt, you spunk-snorkelling cockbadger.
  • swf
    Translation please?
  • Whisky
    Oh god Denise you are one of those lazy bastards in the civic centre. Shouldn't you be working instead of wasting my tax money looking at daft websites? May I have your supervisors direct line so I can let them know what you are up to? Oh by the way I was refering to myself being a little shit when a child. Which is true, I was.
  • Steve
    @ Denise - I am already at least 1ft tall, what exactly is it you're threatening?
  • Mark C.
    Hate to be picky, Denise, pet, but unless they actually did bring in a law against thought-crime while I was at lunch, it's not actually illegal to *approve* of people smacking their kids. Personally I don't believe kids should be smacked, but they do need to be how to behave properly, part of which is that they can't run wild and get everything they demand.
  • Whisky
    Oh yes, I forgot Under Section 58 of the Children’s Act of 2004 , smacking remains legal as long as it does not cause visible bruises, grazes, scratches, swelling or cuts. So it seems you don't even know your own job. As for the earlier remark, "you can be assured by the time you leave you will be at least 1 ft tall" I am already at least 1ft tall, In actual fact I am at least 6ft tall.
  • Mark C.
    @swf - Yeah, sorry about that, I wasa bought up by hippies who thought discipline was for squares and that I should express myself some more. And what do you know, I grew up to be a right wanker.
  • Kevin
    Dennis utiro You are the very persons that we all want to protect our child from, making out you are child protection agency when in real life and with parents and anyone else trustworthy out of the way, you turn into peadophiles and do far worse than anyone, even the people that call there vomit bags little shits.. Yes we all know what dodgy folks you are, and also we'll discipline our children in what way we think best, and if thats a small slap across the leg then so be it, never done me any harm! thats why you got so many little shits running around the streets now with hoodies on creating havoc, its because of you, stupid Do-Gooder types thinking you know everything!
  • Paul C.
    I tend to agree with Mark C - the amount of times I've gone out for a roast on a Sunday only to find the place is clogged up with buggies! Though in their defence - my experience with naughty children has been pretty minimal - perhaps I'm one of the lucky ones. For the most part, children I have had to dine alongside have been quiet and well behaved. I suppose that if the food is tasty and plentiful for little mouths then complaint is not an option. Oh and Denise, get a grip - you live in a city which has the worst behaved adults - let alone children.
  • Denise u.
    Sorry I thought this question was for adults? Seem I have landed on a childrens page in error, I must apologise for intruding, perhaps the school bullies may one day grow up never the less you have provided great insight into the world of morons well some off you have, I can use this on my next project, have a nice day :) beat your kids but don't mark them that must be okay thanks for the advice, if you don't mind I won't be using it, talk about a lynch Mob. Sad bstards..
  • Paul S.
    Steady on, Paul. Go out in Newcastle at the weekend, and you'll find it's the stag parties from everywhere else who are the piss-rattling twats who can't handle their beer.
  • Whisky
    @Paul Smith, go on have a walk round Byker or Wallsend for a few hours on a friday night, you won't find any stag partys down there. @Denise Still not forthcoming with your supervisors details I see. Get back to your meaningless job. You are on my, and every other tax payers time.
  • Kevin
    Denise you landed on a childrens page Again! How many other childrens pages have you visited today eh1 Hmmm says it all doesn't it! And were not a lynch mob were just the majority out there that are sick and tired of being told what to do by the likes of you, who know no better.. Majority of the little vomit bags are growing up and turning into the little shits your talking about because they have never been disciplined and so go on to make everyone elses life a misery! People are now having enough of this and are not taking government nonsense anymore from bods like you who are being paid to do shit, get e real job!
  • Jonny S.
    @ Denise utiro 2 things - you're an inspiration for birth control. If you were my kid I'd stuff you into a bag with a grenade. Also, no surprise that a complete moron not only works for the government BUT also doesn't understand that people can and do raise their own children in different ways. Whether you think it's right or wrong is down to the individual, something you know nothing about when they trained you to say 'smack bad, give anything they want good!!'
  • Jonny S.
    Yep I think Denise is in fact not employed, think she just sits at home browsing sites. 22 stone chav with 4 kids running round the bedsit screaming. Theres a high horse round here...
  • Denise u.
    Whisky are you some sort of cat, don't wash and lick your own sack? Don't have a supervisor num nuts, so why don't you get back to mcdonalds and start cleaning the skid marks of the toilets, now I bid you good day you sound like 10 years old so I will have to forgive your comments I would give you a kiss, but can't stand the smell of piss :)
  • Jonny S.
    The jobless don't have supervisors
  • Matt
    Denise, Since the problem seems to be parents not disciplining their children and teaching them the proper etiquette, it's rather surprising (and a little disappointing) to see you idly threatening some forum posters about being 'from child protection'. It would have been nice to see you act like a professional if you claim to be one.
  • Whisky
    laugh out loud!
  • Kevin
    Notice Denise is the only person to use emoticons in this thread. Shows there real age ! about 5 ha ha Then resorts to calling other posters on this thread a cat, hmmm these are the dweebs the Government entrust our nations children too..Fuck sake!
  • swf
    so back to the subject folks? we don't want screaming kids in restaurants and we want to lynch their parents?
  • milky
    I vote to ban the parents & kids who allow this sort of shite to happen, after all a responsible parent would either remove their child after a few squeaks or simply have brought their child up to behave properly when lucky enough to be taken out for a meal, ..a rare & expensive treat! I'm a deaf cunt & it annoys the piss out of me!
  • Marcus
    Seems this forum is full of hard men, come to my place in Manchester, and I will show you a proper hard man here is the post code M1 2AN big building on the right ask for me day or night, and don't bother saying shit on here and for the record I love kids and would love to meet the haters you sound like a right bunch of cunts I will even pay your fuel... Twats
  • Jonny S.
    Has anybody else noticed the change from Denise to Marcus?
  • Larry K.
    Screaming children should be banned from breathing.
  • milky
    @denise. I slap my child when she requires it & as a result of this I have an extremely well behaved kid,. You simply don't stop at slapping, something stupid arses don't gget, you use it sparingly & take the time to explain why it was necessary. we purposely stopped at one child in order to spend time raisingf a responsible, caring attentive child! ..in which we succeeded, with aplomb! My child has as a consequence only required a few in order to get her back on track, same as a childs tantrum stops them seeing common sense that may risk their entire lives by doing something stupid eg running out in front of a badly driven social workers car whilst they are taking a call on the road, smoking a cigarette! Or to make it blatantly clear that she could have killed herself ski-ing whilst ignoring dad's instructions & bombing off down a run going over a jump & landing mere inches away from a branch that would have impaled her or taken her eye out! I pity your charges! Do you write care reports with fucking smileys etc!? In which case you are part of the problem. Don't threaten people with laws you are clearly not au-fait with, if you wish to continue giving a well deserved bad rep to government become a teacher or join the police. My child is also allowed to swear, as long as it's in context, however chooses not to, & strives to be more constructive & descriptive. That said I read some of this topic back to her & she thinks you are "........................" unrepeatable even for on here! but it's got something to do with foxes. Now go away & I hope youre womb is barren as it's questionable as to your suitability as a parent.
  • Mark C.
    @Marcus - so if anyone comes up and knocks on your door, you'll be properly hard when they arrive? Would that be the full two inches then? God, I miss the internet from before Tesco started enabling all the slack-jawed troglodytes to get online.
  • good b.
    What a surprise, another manc with an attitude as big as his mouth I also like kids, but not badly behaved ones. Pay for it, you'll probably siphon it
  • Marcus
    Why don't you stop wearing knickers you cunt and come and find out, all hard on here hiding behing your screen names, no fucking balls as I said, you have my details come knocking you cunts anytime, or give your address and I will help you open your big cunt faced lips
  • milky
    Also for the troglodytes inc the idiot wasting time on her govt funded pc (in all likelihood) the weight behind a slap is something you need to verify, in your mind does the strength OF THE SOUND OF THE SLAP / smack infer an act of violence is being carried out on a child? could I see your records as to what a slap is when they are wearing different types of materials, say cotton shorts over jeans, over corded trousers, over heavily padded for warmth winter trousers & how a slap is measured for "damage to a child" in comparison to an attention getting action to restore order & safety for all concerned. where no actual damage is done? So please define slap in order to ascertain we are all talking about the same thing rather than have you jump on here without due consideration for regional variations & terminolgies, flat hand / cupped hand et al & threaten people with physical violence yourself. you hardly seem professional. I imagine this is on mumsnet now! (yawn) popping up a postcode is fine, however it denotes a general area / cluster of addresses, so you are not really very forthcoming are you!? divot!
  • good b.
    @Marcus Seriously, see a doctor. If you're not already
  • Marcus
    I will soon after I track these loud mouth wanking cunts down, best be holding a White flag when I do, kiddo
  • swf
    hay, I object to that slur on my home town! anyone can say they're from anywhere on here. Yep, this is indeed a "good poll gone bad"! Hate in all directions, can't see why. Mancs are not all yobbos, though this forum certainly seems to have plenty of foul mouthed angry gits. Is it sooo difficult to discipline kids? No, not really. Load of jokers!
  • Mark C.
    So you want us to surrender *before* you give us a beating? That doesn't sound very hard to me.
  • good b.
    @swf I stand corrected and apologise. Although in my defence, the comments were specifically for Marcus.
  • swf
    I give up, all the hard men on here just carry on fighting it out on the internet. lol. Denise was right about one thing, you're just a bunch of kids
  • swf
    @ good poll gone bad much appreciated, too many sweeping generalisations on here. probably Marcus isn't even Mancunian, who knows? I wouldn't care personally
  • Marcus
    Marc C balding, sausage jocky keep talking shit, train spotter, IT cunt, child beater, prick
  • Paul S.
    Not telling tales on anyone, but Denise and Marcus are the same person. Sober up, sunshine.
  • smashingnicey
    Silly poll. There's a big difference between crying and screaming. Crying suggests the child is in distress. Screaming suggests the child, in the context of a restaurant, is probably not being controlled well enough by the parents. I'm a Dad. I would say that there should be some restaurants that should be for the grown ups - god knows it's good to have a night off. But generally speaking, family friendly restaurants should be places where kids can enjoy themselves with the caveat that the adults are responsible enough to know when their child/children need to be reigned in.
  • Paul C.
    Smithy with the IP details. Zing.
  • wombat
    I had to vote "no" - I can't see why any child should be "banned" for crying or screaming, maybe they were petrified by a sour-faced bitter-wallet reader ;-). However it's entirely correct for a restaurant to ask any disruptive diner to behave consideratly or leave...
  • swf
    Hi there wombat :) Take your point there, it's a bit scary in here for us never mind the kids. Don't you think most parents would take their children for a trip round the block if they started to kick off in a restaurant? Personally I would be ashamed to sit and continue my meal if it was my family disturbing other peoples meal out.
  • Doris
    One will have the lot of you and your kin. Come see me at SW1A 1AA for a resounding thrashing. Bring you best fighting dogs too.
  • milky
    Doris, I admire your ability as a silver surfer, however I feel you may have several WWW tabs open, did you mean that last comment for Tower Hamlets W.I crew? have they been selling jam in your manor?
  • Doris
    Tower Hamlets, Doris, Marcus. I'm not fussy. Don't mess with me or my kids or I'll do for you what I did for that gold-digging trollop in France.
  • Mark C.
    @Marcus/Denise - Wow, where did you get my CV from?
  • kev
    this has actually been more of an issue for me in bookmakers, even tho by law (at least over here in ireland anyway) nobody under 18 is allowed to even step foot in the place I've had it out before with fathers who are more interested in betting on dogs/virtual racing than looking after his own kids, talk about bad parenting
  • delrio
    actually the parents DO have control, they just don't even bother to try half the time me and my brother never had tantrums, mostly because they wouldn't have been tolerated. in fact i used to (apparently) look at screaming children with some sort of bemusement cos i thought there was something wrong with them if you glare at a screaming child's parent long enough, they do something about it, which just goes to prove they CAN stop the screaming if they want. crying is fine, it's that stupid ear splitting random scream some kids seem to do that should have them throttled.
  • Fred P.
    Stupid Parents Need to get thier heads out of thier asses .I'm here to enjoy a nice quiet meal And I'm sick and tired of screaming little Mighty Mouths "R" Us Especially running around and horseplay plus climbing all over Why Should I have to subject to thier bad behavior? for who ?and for What? And to all you ignorat parets out there "GET THIS THROUGH THOSE CRYHOLES ON TOP OF YOUR SHOULDERS YOU CALL HEADS DUMB ASSES< Were Customers too We pay our hard earned money too Dont make us disappear. And If you dont like what I write THATS TOUGH!!!!! You Need to be cosiderate of others What your showing is your own ignaorance and creating tommorows juvinile delinquents

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