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	<title>Comments on: BBC uses copyright image from Flickr for News 24</title>
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		<title>By: Petra Michels</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-2#comment-43866</link>
		<dc:creator>Petra Michels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BBC fail to attribute Creative Commons photo of their own building &#171; Technical Faults</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-2#comment-43492</link>
		<dc:creator>BBC fail to attribute Creative Commons photo of their own building &#171; Technical Faults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The BBC is an organisation with access to vast news-gathering and photography resources and a budget to furnish most News articles with a pricey-but-pointless Getty Images thumbnail. So, why then resort to basically stealing a photograph? It turns out that this is not an isolated occurrence. Fellow photographer Adam Foster reminded me of the time they used a copyrighted image of the skyline of Birmingham in broadcast. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The BBC is an organisation with access to vast news-gathering and photography resources and a budget to furnish most News articles with a pricey-but-pointless Getty Images thumbnail. So, why then resort to basically stealing a photograph? It turns out that this is not an isolated occurrence. Fellow photographer Adam Foster reminded me of the time they used a copyrighted image of the skyline of Birmingham in broadcast. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Taunya Hummer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taunya Hummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wo die Suchmaschine mich den lieben Tag hinbringt :) Tolle Homepage, ich werde wieder vorbeischauen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wo die Suchmaschine mich den lieben Tag hinbringt <img src='http://www.bitterwallet.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Tolle Homepage, ich werde wieder vorbeischauen.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-2#comment-34205</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC fail! Shame they only offered a measley £75 quid the tight gits!</description>
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		<title>By: BBC pays BW reader £600 for using photo without permission &#124; BitterWallet</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-2#comment-21936</link>
		<dc:creator>BBC pays BW reader £600 for using photo without permission &#124; BitterWallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Flickr, requiring any usage to be agreed in advance. When Michael contacted them, the BBC provided a very long and slightly dubious account as to how events had unfolded, and initially offered to pay £75 for the unauthorised usage of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Flickr, requiring any usage to be agreed in advance. When Michael contacted them, the BBC provided a very long and slightly dubious account as to how events had unfolded, and initially offered to pay £75 for the unauthorised usage of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just for info.. The BBC paid me £600 for use of the image.Thanks BBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just for info.. The BBC paid me £600 for use of the image.Thanks BBC.</p>
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		<title>By: Help with copyright...</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-2#comment-9550</link>
		<dc:creator>Help with copyright...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A few interesting parallels in this case - although in your friend&#039;s case the people who are nicking his IP are making money from it so it&#039;s worse.  BBC uses copyright image from Flickr for News 24 &#124; BitterWallet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A few interesting parallels in this case &#8211; although in your friend&#8217;s case the people who are nicking his IP are making money from it so it&#8217;s worse.  BBC uses copyright image from Flickr for News 24 | BitterWallet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for the BBC (News, TV graphics), and can well believe the explanation for this (test images floating around not intended for broadcast) - whether or not that&#039;s what actually happened here, well who knows. 

I&#039;d be inclined to believe the BBC&#039;s explanation (and not just &#039;cos they used to employ me) because the alternative (that someone just pulled a photo off the internet, stuck it on telly, and thought no-one would notice) seems to me even more unlikely. 

Not sure if it&#039;s the case in Birmingham, butwhere I was based we were having copyright issues drummed into us constantly - when we&#039;d get our images everything was coded so we&#039;d know if it was BBC copyright, or an agency pic or whatever - basically, was it free to use, or would it cost (the programme, i.e. ultimately the licence payer) some cash. I&#039;d be very surprised if a search on the BBC&#039;s stills library for &#039;Birmingham skyline&#039; didn&#039;t turn up dozens of (BBC owned) pics, and I don&#039;t know, I just can&#039;t imagine anyone going &#039;yep, these are OK, but not quite what I&#039;m looking for - I know, I&#039;ll nick one off Flickr.&#039; It just doesn&#039;t ring true.

But an engineer (maybe without a login to the proper stills system?) grabbing an image for testing and leaving it floating around to get used later by mistake is a bit daft, but at least feasible. It&#039;s also feasible that the &#039;test&#039; image was precisely the kind of image needed for testing Birmingham&#039;s little CSO set-up - namely a Birmingham skyline. Sorry Jenny, but I don&#039;t think a &#039;Google&#039; logo would have cut it - or &#039;a shot with all colours in it&#039;. Not what you&#039;d want at all.

Personally, I love to see the little guy getting one over on the big corporation. But the BBC is a big public-funded corporation.

At best, the BBC will put some systems in place to ensure this kind of thing doesn&#039;t happen again. At worst, a mass email will go round saying &#039;don&#039;t nick stuff off the internet you big eejits&#039;. Either way, the time it&#039;s taken the BBC to investigate this has probably cost the licence fees of at everyone who&#039;s commented on this post. Shame really. It was probably just a genuine old-fashioned cock-up, but now it&#039;s a genuine, old-fashioned, and expensive, cock-up. And we&#039;re all paying for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for the BBC (News, TV graphics), and can well believe the explanation for this (test images floating around not intended for broadcast) &#8211; whether or not that&#8217;s what actually happened here, well who knows. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be inclined to believe the BBC&#8217;s explanation (and not just &#8216;cos they used to employ me) because the alternative (that someone just pulled a photo off the internet, stuck it on telly, and thought no-one would notice) seems to me even more unlikely. </p>
<p>Not sure if it&#8217;s the case in Birmingham, butwhere I was based we were having copyright issues drummed into us constantly &#8211; when we&#8217;d get our images everything was coded so we&#8217;d know if it was BBC copyright, or an agency pic or whatever &#8211; basically, was it free to use, or would it cost (the programme, i.e. ultimately the licence payer) some cash. I&#8217;d be very surprised if a search on the BBC&#8217;s stills library for &#8216;Birmingham skyline&#8217; didn&#8217;t turn up dozens of (BBC owned) pics, and I don&#8217;t know, I just can&#8217;t imagine anyone going &#8216;yep, these are OK, but not quite what I&#8217;m looking for &#8211; I know, I&#8217;ll nick one off Flickr.&#8217; It just doesn&#8217;t ring true.</p>
<p>But an engineer (maybe without a login to the proper stills system?) grabbing an image for testing and leaving it floating around to get used later by mistake is a bit daft, but at least feasible. It&#8217;s also feasible that the &#8216;test&#8217; image was precisely the kind of image needed for testing Birmingham&#8217;s little CSO set-up &#8211; namely a Birmingham skyline. Sorry Jenny, but I don&#8217;t think a &#8216;Google&#8217; logo would have cut it &#8211; or &#8216;a shot with all colours in it&#8217;. Not what you&#8217;d want at all.</p>
<p>Personally, I love to see the little guy getting one over on the big corporation. But the BBC is a big public-funded corporation.</p>
<p>At best, the BBC will put some systems in place to ensure this kind of thing doesn&#8217;t happen again. At worst, a mass email will go round saying &#8216;don&#8217;t nick stuff off the internet you big eejits&#8217;. Either way, the time it&#8217;s taken the BBC to investigate this has probably cost the licence fees of at everyone who&#8217;s commented on this post. Shame really. It was probably just a genuine old-fashioned cock-up, but now it&#8217;s a genuine, old-fashioned, and expensive, cock-up. And we&#8217;re all paying for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-1#comment-9342</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most embarrassing thing about it all is the pathetic and clearly fake excuse. If you need a test image, any will do. You don&#039;t need one of the specific subject you are working on. Furthermore, there must have been SOMETHING available, without having to do an internet search. In fact, a screenshot of their browsers homepage or saving the google logo, or even using an old image would have worked (haha! like they would dare use a google image! Can&#039;t steal from a big company! Must &#039;respect&#039; their rights... for the bank account&#039;s sake...but never mind the common man, he probably won&#039;t notice, and can&#039;t afford a lawyer) 

The whole point of test images should be that they LOOK like a test image so can&#039;t be used by mistake. And the test should be a shot with all colours in it so you can see if the equipment /lighting etc is right. Not a dull photo of clouds. (no offense, dull meaning not a bright colour)

No offense again but I have to be honest, imo It&#039;s HIGHLY suspicious why this has gone away so fast. I reckon the guy either got a lot of money (that he was somehow happy with), or more likely; was offered a job for them in some way.

No-one who truly respects the law or photography should have folded and allowed them to get away with this. It would also be extremely embarrassing when the BBC went to court and had to change their story and/or were caught lying about how it happened to get used &quot;by accident&quot;.


The other ridiculous thing about this is that the BBC is using still images which IMO are supposed to look like live shots. This I don&#039;t agree with. To be honest I wouldn&#039;t have noticed the photo was the same. That was a VERY lucky catch. THAT also is the reason why the guy should have blew this story up, because they nearly got away with it, and they have probably done it in the past. It should have been ALL over the papers. NO amount of money (unless we are talking like £40,000 - which he would not get as a bribe) is worth the satisfaction of seeing a company who blatantly broke the law getting done for it. Breaking a law in fact, which is extremely important for their company. It actually revolves around upholding copyright laws and fees for media being released to them.

Things like this sicken me to be honest. If there&#039;s one thing I hate more than a liar, it&#039;s someone telling BAD lies and expecting people to fall for it.


PS - Alan I think the word you&#039;re looking for is jealousy. If photos are really not such a big deal, the person should go out and take a measly photo themselves and use that. Someone making a piece of art has the right to decide how, when, for what, or even IF it should be used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most embarrassing thing about it all is the pathetic and clearly fake excuse. If you need a test image, any will do. You don&#8217;t need one of the specific subject you are working on. Furthermore, there must have been SOMETHING available, without having to do an internet search. In fact, a screenshot of their browsers homepage or saving the google logo, or even using an old image would have worked (haha! like they would dare use a google image! Can&#8217;t steal from a big company! Must &#8216;respect&#8217; their rights&#8230; for the bank account&#8217;s sake&#8230;but never mind the common man, he probably won&#8217;t notice, and can&#8217;t afford a lawyer) </p>
<p>The whole point of test images should be that they LOOK like a test image so can&#8217;t be used by mistake. And the test should be a shot with all colours in it so you can see if the equipment /lighting etc is right. Not a dull photo of clouds. (no offense, dull meaning not a bright colour)</p>
<p>No offense again but I have to be honest, imo It&#8217;s HIGHLY suspicious why this has gone away so fast. I reckon the guy either got a lot of money (that he was somehow happy with), or more likely; was offered a job for them in some way.</p>
<p>No-one who truly respects the law or photography should have folded and allowed them to get away with this. It would also be extremely embarrassing when the BBC went to court and had to change their story and/or were caught lying about how it happened to get used &#8220;by accident&#8221;.</p>
<p>The other ridiculous thing about this is that the BBC is using still images which IMO are supposed to look like live shots. This I don&#8217;t agree with. To be honest I wouldn&#8217;t have noticed the photo was the same. That was a VERY lucky catch. THAT also is the reason why the guy should have blew this story up, because they nearly got away with it, and they have probably done it in the past. It should have been ALL over the papers. NO amount of money (unless we are talking like £40,000 &#8211; which he would not get as a bribe) is worth the satisfaction of seeing a company who blatantly broke the law getting done for it. Breaking a law in fact, which is extremely important for their company. It actually revolves around upholding copyright laws and fees for media being released to them.</p>
<p>Things like this sicken me to be honest. If there&#8217;s one thing I hate more than a liar, it&#8217;s someone telling BAD lies and expecting people to fall for it.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Alan I think the word you&#8217;re looking for is jealousy. If photos are really not such a big deal, the person should go out and take a measly photo themselves and use that. Someone making a piece of art has the right to decide how, when, for what, or even IF it should be used.</p>
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		<title>By: Denni</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-1#comment-9339</link>
		<dc:creator>Denni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC stole my photo of StevenMoffat (taken during Nippon 2007):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7411177.stm

A non-commercial, share-alike attribution CC license means that they are not permitted to post the image in question on a commercial site without permission, that they have to give due attribution and that the derivative work must be posted under the same license terms.

Creative Commons is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a free-for-all!

Mike, at least you got recognition and compensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC stole my photo of StevenMoffat (taken during Nippon 2007):</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7411177.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7411177.stm</a></p>
<p>A non-commercial, share-alike attribution CC license means that they are not permitted to post the image in question on a commercial site without permission, that they have to give due attribution and that the derivative work must be posted under the same license terms.</p>
<p>Creative Commons is <i>not</i> a free-for-all!</p>
<p>Mike, at least you got recognition and compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Withers</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-1#comment-9336</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ The Giver - I&#039;ll let the BNP know that you&#039;re happy for them to use your photos on their fundraising material.  Nice one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ The Giver &#8211; I&#8217;ll let the BNP know that you&#8217;re happy for them to use your photos on their fundraising material.  Nice one.</p>
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		<title>By: The Giver</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-1#comment-9301</link>
		<dc:creator>The Giver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To prevent theft of my Flickr  photos, I have chosen to license them all by creative commons, commercial usage okay.  I see no reason to avoid sharing and I would like to see more people sharing too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To prevent theft of my Flickr  photos, I have chosen to license them all by creative commons, commercial usage okay.  I see no reason to avoid sharing and I would like to see more people sharing too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Brailsford</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-1#comment-9300</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Brailsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about easy money, Surely they could have got a pic like that anywhere. Bet he couldn&#039;t believe his luck, never mind all this so-called anger. Quick, anyone know how to register their face as a trademark ?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about easy money, Surely they could have got a pic like that anywhere. Bet he couldn&#8217;t believe his luck, never mind all this so-called anger. Quick, anyone know how to register their face as a trademark ?!</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-02-12 &#171; Rising Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-1#comment-9195</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-02-12 &#171; Rising Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BBC uses copyright image from Flickr for News 24 &#124; BitterWallet A lesson about using images downloaded from the internet (tags: images rights flickr bbc)    addthis_url = &#039;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digistories.co.uk%2Fdawn%2F2009%2F02%2F13%2Flinks-for-2009-02-12%2F&#039;; addthis_title = &#039;links+for+2009-02-12&#039;; addthis_pub = &#039;&#039;; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BBC uses copyright image from Flickr for News 24 | BitterWallet A lesson about using images downloaded from the internet (tags: images rights flickr bbc)    addthis_url = &#8216;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digistories.co.uk%2Fdawn%2F2009%2F02%2F13%2Flinks-for-2009-02-12%2F&#8217;; addthis_title = &#8216;links+for+2009-02-12&#8242;; addthis_pub = &#8221;; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Interesting links for Thursday&#160;by&#160;andydickinson.net</title>
		<link>http://www.bitterwallet.com/bbc-uses-copyright-image-from-flickr-for-news-24/7498/comment-page-1#comment-9146</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; Interesting links for Thursday&#160;by&#160;andydickinson.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BBC uses copyright image from Flickr for News 24 &#124; BitterWallet - Oops. Maybe it&#8217;s creative commons rather than open source that the BBC need help with [...]</description>
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